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Old 08-22-2007, 08:21 AM
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SCHOOL 1967 vs. 2007

Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1967 - Vice principal comes over to look at Jack's shotgun. He goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.

2007 - School goes into lock down, and FB I is called. Jack is hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.


Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.

1967 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up best friends.

2007 - Police called. SWAT team arrives. Johnny and Mark are arrested and charged with assault. Both are expelled even though Johnny started it.


Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students.

1967 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by the principal. He returns to class, sits still, and does not disrupt class again.

2007 - Jeffrey is diagnosed with ADD and given huge doses of ritalin. Becomes a zombie. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a learning disability.


Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.

1967 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.

2007 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is placed in foster care and joins a gang. State p sychologist convinces Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself, and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has affair with psychologist.


Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.

1967 - Mark shares aspirin with principal out on the smoking dock.

2007 - Police called. Mark is expelled from school for drug violations. Car is searched for drugs and weapons.


Scenario: Pedro fails high school English.

1967 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college.

2007 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given a diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.


Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecra ckers from 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed.

1967 - Ants die.

2007 - Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Homeland Security, and FBI called. Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. The FBI investigates parents; siblings are removed from home; computers confiscated. Johnny's dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.


Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrape s his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Heather. Heather hugs him to comfort him

1967 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.

2007 - Heather is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces three years in state prison. Johnny undergoes five years of therapy.
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Old 08-28-2007, 04:26 AM
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I was there, in 1967, and know....some of it is true.

I did have a fist fight with a guy, who became my best friend....

The kid who disrupted the class got beaten with a leather strap....I got a blackboard ruler broken over my ass....we both went on to be abusive to other people, when we got the chance.....I learned to stop. The other guy is in jail.

The problem is beating a kid for being unable to live up to expectations he cannot achieve, through no fault of his own. That is a horrible fate for a child....like a parent who beats a bedwetting child.....

There are too many idiots in the world who think all you need to do is beat somebody and it solves any problem.

The principal and Johnny's Dad taught the lesson that you can get what you want out of people if you hurt them enough and in the right way.

The truth is that if you teach people that it is legitimate to humiliate other people and cause them pain when they don't do what you want, you are teaching the same lesson that wife-abusers, child-abusers, and terrorists have in common....violence is a legitimate way to coerce other people into behaving in a way that suits you best.

During my teacher's training, I was taught that yes, indeed, the good old days of innocent physical contact between a teacher and a child were *over*....I was told not to do it, I was placing my career at risk.

Should your nurse or doctor hug you when you are at pain in their office?

Yeah, we do live in times of idiocy and oversimplification, as well as overcomplication.

But some of these things you mention, are just "straw man" situations you set up so you can knock them down.....

There are no *female* teachers who have ever been sent to prison for merely hugging a child who had injured himself.....in the absence of any other behaviors which could be considered inappropriate.

And as for Johnny, who makes home made bombs, if I believed in corporal punishment, I'd want his ass whacked.....too many kids each year lose their hands and eyes from dumbass experimentation with firecrackers and home made bombs. But maybe a visit from the Firearms people is a good idea....and maybe Dad does need to pay more attention to the stupid shit his son is up to....before he blows off some other kids fingers or eyes.

I have interviewed a number of murderers in my career.

None of them, to my recollection, were raised in homes where the parents believed in discipline, but not physical brutality.

We beat children - most often - because it is the quickest and simplest solution that pops into our minds when we are troubled by their behavior and want it to stop. Not because it is the best and most effective means of encouraging good behavior.

It is a simple truth....you want good kids?

Then you must catch them being GOOD, and encourage those kinds of behaviors whenever you can. You will develop a human being who wants to do good things.

It is a Myth that you can teach a child to be good by beating the devil out of him. You will develop a human being who wants to avoid being punished for the things he wants to do.

He is exactly the type that will kill you so there are no witnesses.

As Ye Sew, so shall Ye Reap.
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