Full Tilt processing fees

[corpfan1]

Don't know about others...but they are huge chunks of dough.

I almost am in the negative because of them.

[Prenut]

Anyone else care to comment on whether or not the processing fees are a huge chunk? Jeremy? EG?

From the email I received from support, apparently they patterned their affiliate program after Party's, and are under the impression that Party deducts processing fees. I really think with enough feedback to them we can get this changed.

[Beanie]

I don't agree. I think if you compare Full Tilt with someone like Bodog, Full Tilt does not come out well. They are nickel and diming everyone from what I understand. I overheard that they are charging for overlays, what comes next, chargbacks for staking the pros.

I knew when people were drinking the Full Tilt kool aid that is was a mistake. 20-25% is a spit in our face. Then to be charged back on top of that is flat out ridiculous. I won't rule out doing business with anyone but when a place like Bodog is basically doing the exact opposite, people need to wake up and don't give me that you can't sign up for Bodog. I have already told many of you I will help you in that regard. So lets compare.

FTP: 100% Bonus that you get charged back for
Bodog: 20% bonus that shows up as cash from jump and it is recurring, no chargeback to affiliates

FTP: Overlays that they charge you for
Bodog: Ridiculous overlays that they don't.

[texignweb]

I don't agree. I think if you compare Full Tilt with someone like Bodog, Full Tilt does not come out well. They are nickel and diming everyone from what I understand. I overheard that they are charging for overlays, what comes next, chargbacks for staking the pros.

I knew when people were drinking the Full Tilt kool aid that is was a mistake. 20-25% is a spit in our face. Then to be charged back on top of that is flat out ridiculous. I won't rule out doing business with anyone but when a place like Bodog is basically doing the exact opposite, people need to wake up and don't give me that you can't sign up for Bodog. I have already told many of you I will help you in that regard. So lets compare.

FTP: 100% Bonus that you get charged back for
Bodog: 20% bonus that shows up as cash from jump and it is recurring, no chargeback to affiliates

FTP: Overlays that they charge you for
Bodog: Ridiculous overlays that they don't.

Agreed. My opinion is to promote at MAX 3 poker rooms at a time. 1 or 2 is probably best. When choosing an affiliate program to deal with you must choose the one who you will have the best relationship with. Full Tilt Poker will most likely never be included as a room I promote. Why? Because they pull crap like this. If you build a strong relationship with the affiliate program you are working with and prove to them that you bring alot to the table you won't have to worry about this kind of crap and I don't see that happening between myself and FTP.

Why do affiliates hate PSO? Because they receive special treatment from affiliate programs. You can receive the same treatment once you prove that you will give 110% effort when promoting them. Promote 1 or 2 rooms, send them alot of business and you will soon have your own rules to follow. Stay away from affiliate programs that won't carry that kind of bond.

[PPP]

"Because they receive special treatment from affiliate programs"

No. They broke the rules. Don't confuse these two similar things...

One is that you can make your own deal with the cardrooms, like getting $101 CPA instead of $100.

The second thing is different. If a cardroom has behavior rules then one affiliate should never be allowed to break them, like no one affiliate should be able to spam Amazon, but nobody else can, and if others try they get accounts closed.

They are similar, but there is a huge difference.

I've got to chime in on this one. I don't hate any affiliate who receives "special treatment" from an affiliate program, because they receive the treatment they've earned and/or negotiated. But like PPP said, and I'm paraphrasing here a little bit, cheaters suck.

[Beanie]

I think referring to them as cheaters is a bit of a stretch. No doubt Party Poker decided that it would be best if they stopped but I am not sure they were always that clear with PSO. And don't come back with "its in the rules" they tried to work within the rules, they believed they were within the rules.

[MrMcGee]

Yea, I don't blame PSO at all for the rebate deal they had going with Party Poker.

I blame Party Poker.

PartyPoker is the one who was playing both sides of the coin in this situation. On one hand they were saying to all of their affiliates - "Hey, rakeback is against the TOS! Do it, and we'll shut down your affiliate account!" ... While, at the exact same time, they had an exclusive agreement with PSO, allowing them to run a rakeback program, and even providing them with the individual player stats so that they could do so.

[PPP]

There is no way they believed they were within the rules, especially the text they wrote on the webpages. They thought they could get away with it, or that the rules didn't apply to them, but you have not be able to read to think they were actually acting within the published rules.


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I'll add that by "or that the rules didn't apply to them" I mean they might have thought that Party said they could do it. Still there couldn't be any doubt that the posted rules clearly state what they were doing was not allowed.

[Beanie]

I am sorry, I won't be able to respond to your post. Apparently I have a reading deficiency.