New Terms at Fulltilt - your players have only 60 days to deposit

[mypokercorner]

Full Tilt can do what ever they want. Of course, there will be consequences. I alone can't do anything about it. I joined this community for one reason only, and that is to gain the benefits of being a group, and to be able to give back to the group when possible.

I'm sure that as a group there can be some things that can be done. Our affiliate community works much like the rakebacks communities, were we get more buying power by being united. So what can we do as a collectivity to continue to work with FT in a win-win environement?

I certainly appreciate that Jeremy will be talking to them, in fact I expect this of him, but can we do anything to support Jeremy? Can we share some collective stats (He probably has access to them anyway lol). If most of you are serious about removing banners, let's put stats of all refered players of a year period by PAP community. Let's demonstrate how many of those conversion were from players who had signed up for more than 60 days. Let's present collective facts, not inidividual facts.

By presenting data on behalf of the PAP/PAW communities, I am sure the numbers over a one year period can be significant. To the very least, maybe we can work out a deal to be excluded from this clause. It can't hurt to try right? Then again, maybe I'm on crack. I don't have experience in these things, but I do know for a fact that the first step to resolve this issue is to initiate a dialogue with FT. We need to talk to AMs, but to other people as well. The AMs probably have their hands tied anyway, and they themselves probably understand our point of vies, but at the end of the day, they have their own marching orders. We need to get the message to higher levels.

I hope some sort of compromise can be reached. If not, then the decision to advertise FT or not becomes a personal one. I would probably not remove them, but I sure as hell will not raise a pinky for them or give them any kind of profile or preference. No way in hell. And I will not use their widgets and waste valuable and limited spots on my wepages to promote someone who doesn't treat me fairly. I'd rather put my efforts promoting a company that will thank me and reward me in a fair way. So they'll stay. But they won't be visible at all, unlike today (see my homepage top left corner and you'll understand). That's going to go. But I will wait for their response before I do anything. Hopefully, they'll come up with more logical statements as opposed to a pile of crap.

Or maybe I'll leave their banners up, but link them to pokerstars. lol!

[Ridge]

Thedonk, I think I may not have been clear in my post. My point was that if we say one thing and do the other (as in the AP example) then we will have no power. Only by uniting and taking reasonable actions can we be effective..

[TheDonk]

Originally Posted by Ridge

Thedonk, I think I may not have been clear in my post. My point was that if we say one thing and do the other (as in the AP example) then we will have no power. Only by uniting and taking reasonable actions can we be effective..

Reasonable action = This link

[TheDonk]

No reason to mess around with these people. They want to phuck their affiliates, and affiliates are going to bend over and help them stick it in? Not me.

They can F themselves, I have better programs to promote.

Everyone needs to ask themself something. Did you get into this business so you could be someones slave or to be independent? As someone who works for him/herself are you going to let someone dictate what you do independently? Christ people, be grown men and women here and stand up for each other and yourself.

Win it for the guy next to you. Keep saying that nothing will change so you'll keep them on your sites, and yes - nothing will change because you kept them on your sites. How hard do people need to get hit on the head before they stand up for themselves?

Unless FTP says they're going to remove this, I don't want to hear anything from them. They're a shitty company doing shitty things to us. If we continue to get bullied by these rooms, it's because we've allowed it.

Mice or men?

[LadyHoldem]

Has there been any movement towards teaching affiliats how to get the 'online poker' anchor out of their Full Tilt poker affiliate products? That oughta be a small step in the right direction..

[Graham]

Originally Posted by TheDonk

Reasonable action = This link

In the words of Denzel Washington, "Ma Man"... well played.... I'll update my stuff soon to support that!

[NewPokerGirl]

We all know they are reading this thread as well....I'm sure we will get some BS response come Monday. This is why PokerStars will always be their "better".

[Graham]

Originally Posted by PPP

That's just the issue of rakeback, and a reason not to do business with any site offering rakeback. Rakeback has been an idiotic concept perpetuated by cardrooms that do poorly because they have lousy business models. The reason to be pissed at Full Tilt is because they have allowed new players to get rakeback, but never had a way for existing ones to get it, and for every other discrepency and unlevel playing field that comes with this half assed, uncoordinated approach to incentives.

Just freaking cut the rake 27% if you want to, don't create an environment of bad feelings, poaching, cheating and unfair advantage.

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And I hate to beat a dead horse, but this is all about the terms... they and other cardrooms have in their terms they can change the terms anyway they want, any time they want -- and we agree to that, so let's not pretend otherwise. Being on MGR is an extreme risk. First, don't do business with cardrooms with awful terms, unless you can make an arrangement where you aren't subject to them; second, don't make choices to be extra vulnerable when they CAN make changes at will.

Based on your response, you don't promote full tilt, but I think you do.... am I right?

[PPP]

Originally Posted by Graham

Based on your response, you don't promote full tilt....

Why would you jump to that conclusion from what I wrote?

I do business with Full Tilt, on my terms, which is how I do business with everyone.

There would be nothing at all weird about a new cardroom opening tomorrow who said play money players would expire after 60 days. We would all choose to promote them or not. Nobody ever put a gun to my head and said I had to promote a room. There are plenty of rooms out there.

If you can get a good deal with someone, promote them. If you can't, promote somebody else.

[Graham]

Originally Posted by PPP

Why would you jump to that conclusion from what I wrote?

I do business with Full Tilt, on my terms, which is how I do business with everyone.

There would be nothing at all weird about a new cardroom opening tomorrow who said play money players would expire after 60 days. We would all choose to promote them or not. Nobody ever put a gun to my head and said I had to promote a room. There are plenty of rooms out there.

If you can get a good deal with someone, promote them. If you can't, promote somebody else.

You are missing the point.... As much as the 60 day thing sucks, I don't care about that... read my last posts. I am more annoyed about them giving affiliates in general a bad name, but you seem to continue to take their side. Look at that 2+2 thread please.... If you don't think that is bad for affiliates in general, then maybe I am wasting my time.