New Terms at Fulltilt - your players have only 60 days to deposit

[ClarkePromotions]

Originally Posted by Nell@fulltiltpoker.com

Hi Guys,

Essentially the 60 day clause has always been in the affiliate agreement, but never been enforced.

This decision will not make a huge impact on your players; as based on our analysis it has been found that any player who creates an account and does not deposit within 60 days is unlikely to ever convert.

Please let me know if you have any further questions on this,

Kind regards,

Nell

LOL - if players that do not deposit within the first 60 days never convert, why would Full Tilt feel the need to start enforcing this? This is just another way for FTP to make a few extra % profit off their affiliates!

[Nikke]

If this goes down like planned, I will completely stop promoting Full Tilt Poker. I get better advantages of other rooms.

Hopefully this is what you wanted.

EDIT: I think you should take down the banner promoting FTP:s affiliate program. Makes me sick.

[Graham]

Originally Posted by Notspot

The vast majority of players are gonna be very unhappy when they realise most of the people at the table are getting direct cashback even though they signed up ages ago just like them - this is the real issue here, the 60 day rule is just a red herring to keep up talking about that while the whole cashback system changes under our feet and affiliates are squeezed out. We need to wake up to it now.

Something has got to give here and I think if we all step back for a moment we'll see that the current system of a player being locked under an affiliate and not being on a level playing field with other players who have signed up independently is ridiculous and is very bad for us as affiliates in the long run. Just wait until word gets out down the pub and in forums that it's a bad idea to sign up through an affiliate and to make sure you sign up direct if you want to receive the full range of long-term offers. Lots of players don't trust the rakeback sites - but getting it direct is a whole new ball game.

I think word is already getting out. They acted too fast and much of the damage has already been done. Not sure if there is anything we can even do to fix it other than to just stop promoting them completely.

Originally Posted by Notspot

Forum owners - how many of your loyal members will feel good about using your forum / links if they feel you're deliberately trying to get them to sign up to a deal which is not as good as a direct deal in the long run?

This is the bigger issue. They are completely undermining all the hard work that we do to create these sites and pretty much telling players that signing up through an affiliate is a bad idea.


I agree completely with everything you said about making this better for the players. At the end of the day if the player is not happy then they will not play there. Issues of inequality amongst the players who signed up through an affiliate should never happen.

MGR has always been a bit of a gamble though too, which is why rooms continue to offer it IMO. Many players will make less than they would have to pay on CPA, and only end up depositing once (never to return). They (with the help of affiliates) should have looked into alternative solutions before creating their new fancy rakeback division.

Honestly, I don't know why FTP started rakeback in the first place. I thought this was done at rooms that weren't doing well in an attempt to attract more players, not giant sites with incredible promotions that have no need to do it.

[Back In Black]

Originally Posted by Graham

Honestly, I don't know why FTP started rakeback in the first place. I thought this was done at rooms that weren't doing well in an attempt to attract more players, not giant sites with incredible promotions that have no need to do it.

Full Tilt was nowhere near "giant" when they began to let affiliates offer rakeback. If they were giant, they would have been able to see farther past the trees.

[Kyle]

Last time I checked it is the poker rooms job to convert our PMP!

Want me to get my PMP to play Real money? Give me all their personal info and e-mails and I'll see what I can do!

[Kyle]

Furthermore, if you sit down and go through the numbers they will eventually steal millions of dollars from affiliates this way.

Sure, their terms say they can do what they want, when they want. We all know this bs clause is in every other TOC on the net. They can do what they want, but it will have consequences which are already starting to hurt them.

[Catfish]

But with the other term saying that if you dont bring a new player every 60 days, you lose all your old players, how can anyone who has any decent players at FT just pull out and not promote them anymore ?
It seems that now they have the affiliate over a triple barrel !
It's the same story all the time, with almost all rooms : when they need the affiliates to grow, they seem to cooperate. But as soon as they reach their goals, they change their terms and become greedy.
It's sad to see it happen all the time, all the work going to waste....

I wished those rooms were as creative helping to convert players as they are stealing from their "partners".

[PPP]

Originally Posted by Back In Black

Full Tilt was nowhere near "giant" when they began to let affiliates offer rakeback. If they were giant, they would have been able to see farther past the trees.

Yes they were a "giant", one of the top 3 cardrooms. They had a middling-sized spurt when they offered rakeback the first time in the very haphazard way they did it, but now they lag even further behind Pokerstars than they were before -- even if they have grown bigger.

It seems they are looking for another growth spurt because what they have been doing has not been working, if you define 'working' as "we want to be the #1 online poker site". So obviously a tactic to grow could be to offer rakeback to all players it is not available to and aggressively promote it to play money players, ESPECIALLY ones that have been around a longer time.

It's concievable, but not likely, that they will come out of this with a more fair, better organized system that doesn't treat older, more loyal players as second class citizens. It seems more likely that they will just make their chaos more chaotic, but at this point I attirbute the haphazard appearance of these changes to a larger master plan to try and catch Pokerstars.

Off topic, when you think of it, it is remarkable that in the time Full Tilt has gone from peak real money ring game players of 7500 to about 10,000, Pokerstars has gone from about 11,000 to about 24,000.

[Catfish]

It's amazing imho that whatever a poker room does to f..k their affiliates, there is always at least one guy here to defend them.

[PPP]

Originally Posted by Catfish

It's amazing imho that whatever a poker room does to f..k their affiliates, there is always at least one guy here to defend them.

And who would that be? And what sentence was defending them?

Something bad happened. Now the proper response is to act like adult professionals and respond, while also trying to understand the issues involved.

In your case, you are over a "triple barrel" because you choose to take MGR. Are you going to learn from that? Do you see how MGR makes you more vulnerable to the cardrooms, and that being vulnerable to the cardrooms means you are more likely to have something bad happen to you?