New Terms at Fulltilt - your players have only 60 days to deposit

[PPP]

Originally Posted by Ritch111

PPP, i always hear what you have to say and it is usually good info, but if you play middle man on this you are pretty sad.

"middle man on this" means what? If you are going to make an attacking statement, then a coherent sentence would have been nice.

If "this" means you should accept a 60 day expiration date, then you are cracked since I would have told you every day for three years not to do that. Don't accept a 60 day expiration, unless you get a specific concession for it (higher MGR%, higher CPA$, whatever).

What I've said on here is they can do any damn thing they want with their business, and affiliates can do whatever they want. However, all the "woe is us" impotent complaining about how affiliates are such poor victims is NOT going to get better terms.

They can do what they want. They are acting within their terms and conditions. If you don't like this specific term, don't do business with them, or negotiate with them so they don't apply this term to your business.

Don't just cry like a victim and say you are entitled to them doing what you want, instead use your power to either have them agree this term will not apply to you, or do business elsewhere.

[PPP]

I think some folks need to come to grips with the notion that this is not a "moral" issue. This is a return on investment issue.

If for whatever reason you can't get them to do business with you without this term, then you have to decide if it makes more financial sense for you to send X players to Full Tilt via Y real estate on your websites, versus sending Z players to somecardroom.com via that Y real estate on your websites. People have already done that calculation (or should have) regarding deduction of the value of hats at retail prices and other junk like that.

Some people say affiliates have power, well start freaking showing it. Stop saying to this or any other cardroom "please allow me to bend over and take it in the butt from you."

Those affiliates who really have no power now (for example, sending three players a month), those folks at this point just have to look at the ROI of sending people to one room or another. It's not a question of morality if one room pays $80 or $75, or if the latter room converts clicks at a 37% more favorable rate than the other does. It's dollars and "sense" math.

[mypokercorner]

Originally Posted by Ritch111

If Nell would just say we are finally enforcing this policy so we can make more money, then I would forget about it.

Let's not make this a personal thing with Nell. We all know that this is profit driven. The fact that a FT rep would make that statement or not is irrelevent. What would stating the obvious accomplish anyway? If Nell or anyone from FT posted "We finaly have the techonology to enforce this policy, but really we're doing it to make more money", that wouldn't affect how I feel about it, nor would it get their links back on the site. Those are gone and until they change their policy, they won't return regardless of how well that particular room can convert. It doesn't make it right, and we must lead by example by not promoting FT.

Clearly, FT does not care about the views expressed in this thread because there has been zero flexibility on their part. Regardless of all the points brought up, which are quite valid concerns, there were no attempt to ease the discontent, there were no compromises, nothing but a statments that said "Thats the way its going to be whether you like it or not". And they have all the right in the world to act that way.

But don't kid yourself, the other rooms are watching this situation very closely and there is a real danger they they will attempt to mimmic FT. Anyone who chooses to continue advertising FT contributes to that risk because they're saying they accept this treatment. I don't. It's a matter of principle and good business practice. If all the rooms start going that route, they will quickly find that the supply of affiliates will drop because individuals like me will move on to other industries. The internet offers many other opportunities and anyone can choose to explore them at any time.

[PPP]

Originally Posted by mypokercorner

Clearly, FT does not care about the views expressed in this thread because there has been zero flexibility on their part. Regardless of all the points brought up, which are quite valid concerns, there were no attempt to ease the discontent, there were no compromises....

Not true, they DID post a very significant change about what a real money player is, which involves the issue of player transfers.

There was no budge on 60 days versus 180 days, but the real money player change means less players will be lost to affiliates. I don't know the numbers, but I would assume that change via a little post here made affiliates as a group millions of dollars.

[mypokercorner]

They posted a clarification on an aspect which was unclear, and only after people have asked them like 100 times in this thread or via e-mail. I don't call that a compromise.

[CasinoMack]

Its true other poker companies are watching this thread. They are smart to be doing so. They know some affiliates are going to drop FTP or limit FTP's exposure and they want to take advantage of FTP's mishaps. Other companies though are in too precarious situation to change their policy to match what FTP is doing now. So they just want to take advantage of affiliate's discourse with FTP.

[DealerDan]

Originally Posted by mypokercorner

They posted a clarification on an aspect which was unclear, and only after people have asked them like 100 times in this thread or via e-mail. I don't call that a compromise.

Not true - the original definition of a real money player was one who deposits only. This was already clarified in the T&C and by Nell. We got it changed.

[PokerProp]

I apologize if this sounds lazy but figured there are some who have been in this thread from the beginning that can catch me up real quick so I don't need to read close to 500 posts.

I know Full Tilt changed their policy so now players must deposit in 60 days or the affiliate loses them.

Anything else important in this thread, other than what affiliates should do regarding the change and how people feel about the change?

Thanks.

[SelfMade]

I haven't read the entire thread either, but I gather that the new requirement was changed to track players whose real money balance reaches $25 within 60 days.

But I see that isn't reflected in their affiliate agreement yet:
"Player(s)" or "Player's Account" means the Account(s) opened at FullTiltPoker.com by Real Money Players via a Tracker assigned to you. Real Money Players are defined as persons who make the minimum required deposit within 60 days of opening the Account.

[corpfan1]

That's so they can change the min deposit to $200 some day.