New Terms at Fulltilt - your players have only 60 days to deposit

[scrawnybob]

previous poster "I know Full Tilt changed their policy so now players must deposit in 60 days or the affiliate loses them.
Anything else important in this thread, other than what affiliates should do regarding the change and how people feel about the change?"

IMHO at the moment this thread in its entirety is probably the most important thread to read from start to finish - then you can make up your own mind

the biggest issue to me is that OUR players become their players after 60 days BUT and this is a BIG BUT

players who signup and deposit within the 60 days (therefore our players) are excluded from any further "bonus or incentive offers" FTP would be offering players who either didnt signup via an affiliate or who wait 61 days before depositing - crucially with the rakeback situation this could mean a backlash of players who then feel they have been excluded from getting rakeback legitimately because they signed up via an affiliate and deposited in 60days

therefore what we are being expected to do in order to earn rev is potentially in direct opposition of what may be in the players best interests - this is IMHO unfair on the affiliate and the player

I have changed to CPA for this and the other obvious reasons - I suggested unsuccessfully that they (FTP) could offer everyone (I'm not interested in a carve out for myself) an amended CPA option for affiliates to at least have an option - but no luck

I suggested CPA (at whatever rates you get for number of players) then affiliate would have non interest in future revenue therefore FTP didnt have to exclude affiliates signups from any "future bonuses or incentives" that were being offered to other players at the exclusion of affiliates signups depositing within 60 days

OK this still doesnt solve the 60 issue from our end - but it does solve the moral issue from a forum / community POV

anyway my personal view on that between now and 1st April we shou;d be trying to convert as many of the players we will loose to FTP after that point - otherwise they are winning all round as we are not getting anywhere on changing the deal and in the meantime we are just giving all our old players away to boot

after the 1st April if the concensus is that we drop them down and give them alot less of no exposure because others might follow suit - then this seems to make sense
cheers scrawnybob

[Ritch111]

PPP> It wasn't an attack statement. You usually take a look at both sides and understand the basis on both parts. This time, business decision or not the enforcing of the T&C is absurd. Bottom line.

If they want to start APRIL 1st as the first day, that would be more appropriate and probably quiet this thread down, but the past players are what is killing me. I have 10 players from 2006/2007 depositing this month and it is only the 13th of March.

What now? I will keep sending them players since they are the second best room in the business and suck it up, but the point needs to be driven. I'm small time and don't have much power unfortunately.

Let's not make this a personal thing with Nell. Nell is just the messenger, but the message should be, this is being done to take over those accounts so we can try to get them playing. Since the affiliate profits will drop 30% FTP's profits will go up 30%. No brainer. It's all the work and effort we have all done in the past and yes it was in the T&C, but not enforced until now, when things are tightening up in the industry.

Ritch

[mypokercorner]

Originally Posted by DealerDan

Not true - the original definition of a real money player was one who deposits only. This was already clarified in the T&C and by Nell. We got it changed.

Then I apologize. I didn't realized that this was changed after, as a result of all the bitching and moaning.

[corpfan1]

It probably wasn't. If it was, it was probably just a move from $50 down to $25 if anything...but there is NO WAY for us to really track if PMPs are playing a freeroll and win anyways, so they could just take the player anyways.

Plus, this STILL does not support there whole - play for free - learn with the pros BS. I can't believe that they want us to coerce a new player into depositing super pronto - that is what is TRULY IMMORAL about the whole thing - their advertising philosophy does not back up their greedy philosophy.

Also, their obvious ignoring of the rakeback questions is IMHO a sign of guilt.

I know my focus will be going from sending them 30-60 players a month to sending 1-5 and focusing on other rooms as well as adding no follow tags to the links. In other words, I won't go through the effort to just take everything off everywhere, but I will definitely be lowering any priorities to them and when I am "in the area" replace.

And, that is all the energy I have towards posting about them.

[PPP]

Originally Posted by Ritch111

PPP> It wasn't an attack statement. You usually take a look at both sides and understand the basis on both parts. This time, business decision or not the enforcing of the T&C is absurd. Bottom line.

You made an attacking statement that didn't make any freaking sense and still doesn't.

"the enforcing of the T&C is absurd" ... How can enforcing their T&C be absurd? Especially since YOU are voluntarily agreeing to it, again.

[Ritch111]

Enforce the shit day 1, not after you brought them over 10000 players. How much will you lose PPP, due to this business decision?

[mypokercorner]

Weren't you paying attention? THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY!!!! ROFL!!

[pokerponce]

The only diff between FTP and the other sites is that FTP tells you in advance when they are about to bone ya. The other sites whisper sweet nothings like "lifetime player tracking, $200 CPA, blah blah blah.." while they slash your player count down to what they think you really deserve. I say the only way to determine who is cheating you the least is by looking at your end of the month results. Whoever pays the most, send them the most traffic. Pay no attention to anything else. It means NOTHING if it can not be verified.

[mjmurphy53711]

Originally Posted by pokerponce

determine who is cheating you the least

7 words summed up this industry as a whole, and while regulation scares me in the effects it might have on affiliates, I'm also quite sure we would then be dealing with honest brokers for once.

[KrisR]

Originally Posted by pokerponce

The only diff between FTP and the other sites is that FTP tells you in advance when they are about to bone ya. The other sites whisper sweet nothings like "lifetime player tracking, $200 CPA, blah blah blah.." while they slash your player count down to what they think you really deserve. I say the only way to determine who is cheating you the least is by looking at your end of the month results. Whoever pays the most, send them the most traffic. Pay no attention to anything else. It means NOTHING if it can not be verified.

Well said pokerponce, unfortunately it's very true.