Rakeback on smaller sites

[stiankr]

Originally Posted by Beanie

Actually that isn't what PPP is saying, he is saying most of the card rooms have a rule against it. Though they don't seem to enforce it since so many sites have it directly on their site how to do this.

Whats the case here? At least when you are offering rakeback you will need to make sure your player is tracked to you. It wont make you look good if the player comes back to you a week later and you have to tell him: sorry, we cant pay you anything, probably you clicked a Full Tilt banner last year or something.

[mjmurphy53711]

Beanie, I sent you a PM.

As promised, thread derailed.....this one should be epic.

My points are in line with Stiankr, and I've made them........so I'll probably stay out of it at this point as there is more experience here to comment on it.

Good points were made about the "uninstall" which I'm in the process of removing, my foreign programmer added it at my directive when telling him to "create signup steps" and showed him several major rb provider sites to use as an example.

The clear cookies thing though I won't be removing, show me a major rb site without it.

As stiankr said if a player is signing up for rakeback through me it is a deliberate and intentional conversion and they will badmouth me saying I "dont pay" if they aren't properly tracked.

If it is a player multiaccounting, I really believe it is the rooms responsibility to enforce it. If I am approached by a player that I know has an existing account, I won't take his business.

[mjmurphy53711]

On a final point, and even more offtopic. No denying that rb has caused multiaccounting and fraud issues......but players who have had accounts from the beginning (when rb didn't exist) make very valid points that they should have option for value just like a new player does.

There is constant threads on major forums, players now EXPECT rakeback directly from the poker rooms almost.

Player A says "I have played at XXXroom since they opened, It's unfair that some banner I randomly clicked on gets my rake for life while a new player has options to sign up and get their rakeback".

These are valid points from a players perspective are they not?

Personally, I'd like to see the industry institute their own comps programs to the tune of giving players back around 30%, and let affiliates act as a concierge to this service for 10%.

Win, Win, and Win for all sides involved......everyone is happy.

[Beanie]

Originally Posted by stiankr

Whats the case here? At least when you are offering rakeback you will need to make sure your player is tracked to you. It wont make you look good if the player comes back to you a week later and you have to tell him: sorry, we cant pay you anything, probably you clicked a Full Tilt banner last year or something.

I was just pointing out what PPP's point indeed was. We should all be against breaking the rules at any point, but when it is directly on the a site and the cardrooms do nothing about it at all well you have to think they are OK with it silently.

As a policy we have stayed away from it but certainly with some regrets because it is obvious others are being allowed to break the rule very openly with no consequences at all.

[Beanie]

Originally Posted by mjmurphy53711

On a final point, and even more offtopic. No denying that rb has caused multiaccounting and fraud issues......but players who have had accounts from the beginning (when rb didn't exist) make very valid points that they should have option for value just like a new player does.

There is constant threads on major forums, players now EXPECT rakeback directly from the poker rooms almost.

Player A says "I have played at XXXroom since they opened, It's unfair that some banner I randomly clicked on gets my rake for life while a new player has options to sign up and get their rakeback".

These are valid points from a players perspective are they not?

Personally, I'd like to see the industry institute their own comps programs to the tune of giving players back around 30%, and let affiliates act as a concierge to this service for 10%.

Win, Win, and Win for all sides involved......everyone is happy.

Fixing rakeback would be so easy. Maybe I will write a post about it that no one will read at some future point. Most of the podcast I outlined my views on this.

[mjmurphy53711]

I haven't listened to the podcast, will do this evening

[smackinyaup]

Hey everyone,

I just wanted to say something: I have about 105 posts here and almost every single one has been a question. Every single time I've asked a question, someone has been there to help me. The last thing I want to do is repay that by stealing anyone's players.

Would it be bad if I just told people to clear cookies and use my deposit code? I'd hate to promise rakeback and then not deliver but I don't want to upset all the people who've spent a lot of time answering my questions and helping me out.

But back to the original post: Is rakeback something I should worry about at this point in time?

[mjmurphy53711]

Like I said, I think rakeback on a site like yours has the best conversion potential.

People (especially rb players) pretty much know themselves these days to clear cookies anyways, and as long as they use your signup code you will be tracked properly.

Times have changed, this whole argument is a bit 2005 anyways.