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Had a chat to him (Mark Vos) at the casino and he said he might write something for the website, I thought that was cool.

He's a smartarse, but it's all in good humour. That's from my short chat with him at the poker table.

Shane Warne is a famous Australian cricket player. He's out now though.

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Originally Posted by Andy Poker.Vg

Also if i had aces i would have probably won the pot on the flop by betting. and im pretty sure you wouldn't advocate that...

Of course I would. Checking the flop was the start of his greedy line of play.

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Originally Posted by hazo

This isn't my argument, but he already stated that this wasn't a way ahead, way behind hand. Making an argument with that example is taking it out of context.

Just thought I'd clear that up

No, the statement was "to get as much money in when your ahead". That is a unimportant concept, regardless of close edges or big edges. Expected value of the betting is what matters always. And its not a small point. It's playing poker as best as possible versus... not.

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Originally Posted by offyourface

I wonder what reaction the poker community would have if it was shown on tv, and Moto just called the reraise and the guy turned over a boat. I would venture to say he would be the laughing stock of the poker community just calling quad aces. But I guess the flip side of that is if he does turn over the royal and Moto just calls, it might just go down in history as the best call ever made.

But what happens when Moto bets the river with his quads and the other player comes over the top for all in. I am really curious what you guys are suggesting the move is for Moto in that scenario.

That's easy. The KJ betting allin can be plausibly thought of as a bluff. When the AA bets allin can't be called by a bluff. The other thing of course is we can't judge exactly the action of how he would call allin. He's first, if the action would be he bets 2500, and the KJ moves allin for say 15,000 more, okay, call, lose. He does this because he can put the guy on a bluff, or even a stupid baby boat bet. there are only two bets on the river rather than three. It's that third bet without the nuts where the opponent can't have anything better than the sixth nuts that is a problem.