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Old 07-13-2008, 05:32 PM
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I'm not going to go all nuts about this entire thing anymore.

Hopefully the FBI just shuts this company down soon.

This is simply and informative post for those still promoting them that wish to get caught up on the latest development - my post is kind of week here in the explinations - the info is much better from the link below

In short:

1) UB Cheating Scandal went back earlier that was expected, to at least January 2005.
2) there were accounts UB should have caught, because of name changes they haven't caught.
3) The refunds processed so far are only the tip of iceberg of whats been stolen.

Speculation - The below has not been proven, just suggested

1) Many pros transfered money with super users - though Barry Greenstien steps in to defend one of them, Freddy Deeb.
2) Beanie's name comes up several times in the thread but its all very weak stuff - such as 1pokerboy asking if any of the super users are from MN or another asking how he ran so well blah blah - just guilt by association accusations - not much there, just figured it was worth mentioning.
3) There have been lots of suggestions that the current ownership of UB has created these super user accounts

The latest allogations all stem from a whistle blower inside of UB who has provided much documentation and claims it was the current management that created these accounts - concrete evidence still being built but lots of damning stuff.

The conclusion - At the very least UB has been a dishonest and shady company since January 2005 and has stolen millions in a huge eleborate scheme which was not done by a few bad employees as they would have you to believe.

Plenty of reading to do on this link below:

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Old 07-13-2008, 05:48 PM
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Interesting read over there. Thanks for the update Prop. Makes you wonder how all this can go on for so long wihout being uncovered.
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Prop ur my hero, I've been trying to work out my timeline on this thing all day.
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Basically when Brainwash posted the transfer list Russ called me up and was like, this is just a bunch of transfers. I had no reason to disbelieve him so I said as much.

Now I certainly wish I had never picked up that call.

Russ called me again the next day and I just dismissed the call saying there was no equity in it for me to be in the fight.

He never really asked me to defend him. I just thought it sucked to be wrongly accused. Other than looking like I have egg on my face I really didn't know a lot. I posted in my blog the timeline of when I worked with UB and various things regarding the posts. Strangely enough it is still relevant.
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Nice summary there prop...

Nat Arem also has a breakdown on his blog (along with a Great piece on the recent google slap a couple of posts down)at www.natarem.com

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Thanks for bringing that to my attention

I have to saythat is the first time I have actually read through the whole thing and it made sense to me.

All I can say is.....Holy Sh*t this thing goes way deeper than I thought, in fact this is almost certain to f**k all our "new business" incomes for a long time to come.

I was pretty sure the poker market was in decline already and this just rips the floor right out from under it.
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Ugh - now I'm getting some PMs at 2+2 over what I posted here!

Yes my attitude was a bit different here but I'm burnt out with this topic on this forum. Ultimate Bet is a PAP sponsor, there are still tons of people here that promote them etc. I'm just saying - hey if your interested here are some updates.. I'm not trying to sell anyone anything or as you say "give them a pass"... why because I've already done that and dozens of people I've talked with on MSN or PM and made clear the whole story have dropped them and others haven't. its not my business anymore.

Search my username on this topic and you'll see my thoughts all along - and know why my post was just casual and here ya go with some info.

Sorry for the rant but yeah your reading something I did not think or did not post.

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Below is a good summary by PhiAlphaMTSU from Pocket 5s:

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1. Brainwashdodo, a person who claims to be a UB employee, posts for the first time in the “Annie Duke a liar?” thread, alluding to additional information he may have.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...13&postcount=9


2. Brainwashdodo makes a post showing a screenshot taken from the UB admin panel. This is not the real NioNio account, as this one was created 04/19/2008 and is a play money account only.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...9&postcount=71


3. Brainwashdodo makes a post showing transaction audits for the following UB accounts: PhilHelmuth, kid55, and –Fred-.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...4&postcount=82
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...8&postcount=87


4. Brainwashdodo also makes a post with 4 links to screenshots taken from the UB admin panel. He shows the account info for kid55, mamamiya, buckskin, and ShaqTack. These screenshots were later removed due to personal info being available on them; however here are two of them with the personal info removed. The kid55 account belongs to Freddy Deeb and the Buckskin account belongs to Lyle Berman. Several people assumed Freddy had a part in the cheating, but as of now there is no proof of that except for the fact that his account was suspended 1 day before the ShaqTack account was suspended, with the exact same comment “(Acct disabled. Do not re-open. Any inquiries please forward to Paul/Nolen. SAraya/ub sec, Tkt #8313668.)”
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/3765/buck2tq6.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9540/kid2ok9.jpg


5. UB releases a new statement regarding the investigation:

Status Update on NioNio Investigation
July 8, 2008 -

UltimateBet’s continuing investigation has confirmed that other usernames, in addition to those previously identified on this site, were associated with the cheating scandal.

The additional usernames include: Crackcorn55, , GrabBag123, gravitation, Bgroup, H_Curtis, Twenty 1, WacoManiac, Broke_In_L_A, ShaqTack, BlueBerry101, 55WasHere, Xnomas, dannyboy55, Indy05, SlimPikins2. The same perpetrators we had previously identified controlled all of these usernames; there are no new perpetrators involved, only new usernames.

We have also confirmed that the cheating dates back further then we initially believed. We can now confirm that the cheating began in January 2005, long before Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG acquired UltimateBet from the previous ownership.

Tokwiro regrets that we did not discover this scheme during our due diligence when we purchased UltimateBet in October 2006, and that we did not identify the fraudulent activity until this recent investigation. We remain committed to our players, and to resolving this problem completely. We will start refunding players for any net losses in hands played with the usernames listed above once we complete our investigation.

Tokwiro considers itself to have been a victim of this fraud and we are continuing to explore our legal options. As part of this effort, we are compiling all of the information we have gathered in regard to the perpetrators and their activities, for possible use in any legal action.

We will continue to provide updates on our investigation, as we are still looking at a few accounts. We would like to take this opportunity to thank the poker community for their invaluable contributions to this investigation and remind them that we remain committed to fully examining any claims of fraud that we receive.

If you have any questions or concerns regarding this investigation, please contact us at pokersecurity@ultimatebet.com


6. NoLimitLeagues analyzes the posts from Brainwash and notices ShaqTack (a known cheating account on UB) had gone through several name changes, including WhakMe, slimpikins2, HolyMucker, and broke_in_l_a, however WhakMe and HolyMucker weren’t listed on UB’s original statement. UB added WhakMe and HolyMucker to their statement after this observation was posted on 2+2. Also, later Trabopoline talks to Paul, the current CEO of UB, who says it was simply a coincidence that the two names were added late.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...9&postcount=94
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=956


7. People start analyzing the transaction audits posted by Brainwashdodo, and the biggest piece of info in these transaction histories showed that -Fred- made a transaction to ShaqTack for $10,000. ShaqTack was one of the known cheating accounts. Also, it seems that the accounts RussHamilton and –russh- were funding other accounts through the –Fred- account because of transfers like the following. This is important because Russ Hamilton is a previous owner of UB. The –Fred- account appears to be an account primarily used to transfer funds to an assortment of players.

a. 517706057 50000.00 Transfer From RussHamilton 2006-DEC-11 04:49:01 PM customer req
517687967 -50000.00 Transfer To Poppychullo 2006-DEC-11 04:41:25 PM customer req

b. 525311086 10000.00 Transfer From RussHamilton 2006-DEC-16 03:58:12 PM customer req
525251767 -10000.00 Transfer To slug2 2006-DEC-16 03:12:52 PM customer req

c. 377361587 40000.00 Transfer From -russh- 2006-SEP-03 05:40:03 PM customer req
377269310 -10000.00 Transfer To ShaqTack 2006-SEP-03 04:26:02 PM customer req
374958034 -5000.00 Transfer To crosdsr 2006-SEP-02 01:20:13 AM customer req
374406862 -30000.00 Transfer To Devilfish 2006-SEP-01 06:38:09 PM customer req


8. Trambopoline explains that the email address that was registered to the NioNio account was the same one that was registered to the H B account. The H B account was also funded by the –Fred- account. The name listed as the owner of the H B account is Haim Bajayo.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=315
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=329
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=789


9. Annie Duke does an interview on PokerRoad radio. She says that Brainwashdodo was trying to blackmail UB. She explains how the cheating was supposedly done, and states that UB is now probably one of the safest sites to play on. She responds to questions about the interview here:
http://www.pocketfives.com/poker-for...erview-3063139

10. People begin posting contact information of people who might know something about the UB software, in case 2+2’ers investigating this topic want to get in touch with them and try to ask questions. Several of the people are former programmers and developers of the UB software who worked for ieLogic (developers of UB software) and IOvation (another software company tied to UB). I’m only listing these because someone requested they be added to the cliffnotes so someone can try questioning them. The last post talks a little more about UB’s connection with ieLogic.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=989
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=989
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1137
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1139
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1141
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=932


11. N 82 50 24 posts this summary regarding the known information of the cheating accounts:

Okay, so these are the total names release by AP and UB:
The following account names are known to have been used in the fraudulent activity:

NioNio
Sleepless
NoPaddles
nvtease
flatbroke33
ilike2win
UtakeIt2
FlipFlop2
erick456
WhackMe44
RockStarLA
stoned2nite
monizzle
FireNTexas
HeadKase01
LetsPatttty
NYMobser
WhoWhereWhen

The additional usernames include:

Crackcorn55
WhakMe
GrabBag123
gravitation
Bgroup
H_Curtis
Twenty 1
WacoManiac
Broke_In_L_A
ShaqTack
BlueBerry101
HolyMucker
55WasHere
Xnomas
dannyboy55
Indy05
SlimPikins2

a. In the first set of names, we know that:

NioNio was changed to NYMobser on Sep 5th, 2007. His other account name was H B. The name on the account was Haim Bajayo and the email was isrelly@aol.

Also, nvtease, sleeplesss and NoPaddles are the same account. It went in the following order... Until April 6th, 2007, the account was known as nvtease. From that point until Sept 5th, 2007 (same date as above), the account was known as NoPaddles. After Sept 5th, 2007, the account was known as sleeplesss.

In addition, the name on that account was Lauren Makar and the address was a Las Vegas address. I won't release the address on here because, more than likely, the person was innocent. Does anyone know how to look up property ownership records in some database? If so, post a link/explanation. Also, if you know the name Lauren Makar, please let us know.

Lastly, this account cashed out WAAAAY more than it should have. Like hundreds of thousands of dollars that was not won at the table. It seems like it was a money funnel of some kind.

I feel pretty bad releasing names because these people were probably just pawns being used by the real cheaters, but if it comes down to that, the people with this info will just have to do that until something comes out. The dirt is out there.


12. N 82 50 24 promptly followed up that post with this groundbreaking post, basically stating that the physical address listed for the nvtease/NoPaddles/sleepless accounts (confirmed superuser accounts) is owned by Russ Hamilton, the prior owner of UB.

a. OMG wow...

http://sandgate.co.clark.nv.us/servlet/Assessor?instance=pcl2&parcel=13819810002


The address is

138-19-810-002 HAMILTON RUSSELL & CAROLYN *20060523:03704 05/23/2006 JOINT TENANCY 200 SUBDIVIDED LOT

Okay people, the address on three of the accounts is owned by Russ and Carolyn Hamilton.

Any questions?

FWIW, this was the info given out by a UB whistleblower (not brainwash, as far as I know):

Customer ID: Token ID: Username: Status: Creation Date: Update Date:UNITED STATES Customer Phone: 702326xxxx Customer Birthdate: 1967-xx-xx Email Information: Address: atease@vegasinbox.com

I got rid of some information like the birthdate and phone number to protect whoever Lauren Makar is.

b. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=5074616&postcount=1425



13. UBdataRus posts a screenshot of some of the nopaddles account’s winnings from poker
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?i...paddlesgl7.gif


14. There is still speculation about who still owns UB. A post from Dan Druff on NWP:

Wow.

There's more to this story from an NWP angle that meets the eye, which I'll talk about in more detail later.

Basically, when we were investingating the AP Superuser scandal (in the fall of 2007), a confidential source told me that Russ Hamilton really still owned AP and UB, and that the "sales" were pretty much a cover-up in post-UIGEA times.

I posted it as an NWP front page story and on 2+2.

Very shortly thereafter, we got a tilt phone call from Russ Hamilton where he was SCREAMING on Dustin's voice mail, demanding that we call him.

I called him, and he told me that what I posted was blatantly false. He demanded that I take those posts/stories down, as I was putting him in jeopardy of being investigated by the Justice Department. Since I had no proof at the time, and was simply quoting a confidential source, I decided it was better that I take the whole thing down. While it was very newsworthy if true, it could also be very damaging if false, and I didn't feel comfortable leaving it up under those circumstances.

Given what has come to light, now perhaps everything makes more sense.

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what can i say!! ohh my god, not again!!
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