Shame on the big rakeback sites

[Ridge]

LOL, did the original post get edited that much or am I crazy?? You are right Haynesey this thread is another "bash AP and UB" thread.. Or at least it is now.. Sorry my bad..

IMO, they suck, they are cheats, end of story.. I am more concerned about affiliates blasting out "retag your account emails" because that's going to cost us players too..

[Pokeraddict]

I'm really baffled by this "poaching" stuff. Chipleader has made it pretty clear if a player is already tagged you won't get them moved. If an affiliate doesn't mention it then they will waste their time and get turned down to move players.

[BootyCraze]

Originally Posted by Pokeraddict

I'm really baffled by this "poaching" stuff. Chipleader has made it pretty clear if a player is already tagged you won't get them moved. If an affiliate doesn't mention it then they will waste their time and get turned down to move players.

Chipleader have made it pretty clear they dont give a shit about the rules. Theft is part of their policy. Why change now?

[SecretSauce]

I was not referring to poaching when I started this thread.

And to the guy who said the chances of getting SuperUsed is statistically insignificant, I'm sorry, but you sir, are an idiot.

I don't believe one thing that has come from Kahnawake, UB or AP related to this mess and I never will. They try and spin everything and hope it will go away. The same owners who cheated us are still at the controls. The only reason they admitted anything and paid anything is because they had to, they were caught red handed. Once this blows over they will be back doing the same crap again, if they aren't already.

[PokerProp]

Originally Posted by punchtheclock

Are you gonna drop all of the sites regulated by kahnawakee as well?

Being licensed by KGC is the most cost effective way to provide games that run at optimal speeds to North America. The Mohawks got unrestricted use of the lines by claiming intimate domain. Companies offering online poker to US have little choice under 8 figures then to have a KGC license..

imo a liscense is just a piece of paper. if a company has a UK liscense or say an Alderny, Malta or Antillies liscense then to me its bonus points when analyzing their security. If a company is liscensed only by KGC or say Costa Rica (which Costa Rica is the most useless company set up ever with no real gambling commission) then its a sign to look at the company closer. It does not make that company dishonest, shady or less secure in itself though. There are pleanty of companies I am sure are very trust worthy who simply can't afford alternate solutions.

Boycotting all sites associate with KGC is unreasonable, but treading carefully with sites lisecensed by just KGC alone is being responsible.

[PokerProp]

Originally Posted by punchtheclock

The chances of anyone getting cheated at these sites now or at any time is statistically insignificant. You are more likely to get colluded against at one of the major sites (which Im sure you do promote) than you are to come across a superuser at UB/AP.

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I mean no disrespect outside of this particular post, but this is fantasy world thinking. If some one would like me to break down my opinion on why i'd be happy to do so, but at this point is like preaching to the choir as well as a bunch of deaf ears in the back seat so won't waste my time unless someone is interested.

[PokerProp]

Originally Posted by actyper

If that is the issue, honestly what is the difference than PAP having chipleader as an approved program?

Its not, and imo PAP is doing the industry a lot of harm but they're not alone. Most all the big companies are doing the same.

When UIGEA passed a few experts predicted stuff like this would happen and they were right. I think were going to need some luck if the US market is going to still be thriving a few years down the road.

My honest opionion is that either way, whether we get lucky or not, there is still huge opportunity for those that go all out, the hobbyist and part time affiliates that make a little here and there on the side will see the windows of opportunity continue to shrink.

[punchtheclock]

Id love to hear that break down prop. Please tell me how a few hundred players getting cheated out of a few million is statistically significant. and btw, I hope you know I was joking about KGC, although Im of the opinion that they are a joke as well.

[PokerPie]

Please tell me how a few hundred players getting cheated out of a few million is statistically significant.

wat. is this a joke?

i'll bet 90% of the players who got cheated were getting rakeback on their accounts. so rakeback sites promoting this is seriously like bringing on new blood for the super users. random banner ads and phil helmuth promoting ub brings on nickel and dime players that aren't worth potrippers time, rakeback sites bring in the big bankrolled sharks, and thats who the super users go after.

[punchtheclock]

I will concede to the argument that your players are not average players. IMHO, most of the people be subjected to the advertising you dislike already know about what happened at UB...these are your typical high volume players you seem to be speaking of.