Chipleader trip to Costa Rica

[Beanie]

Originally Posted by BootyCraze

TY, for the 8th post honor.

2+2 has been around a while. Maybe annie duke loves chipleader.

Your post smelt of payment. Nice 638th post beanie.

Nice innuendo prop. No wonder the industry needs a reshake or completely shut down.

Example :

We support know cheats, what does that say about us?
What does that say about the set up of the industry?
Why are the USA officials not attacking this point?
Maybe they are looking for something sticky

I was one of the only sites covering the scandal from the beginning. On the front page of my site is an article about how Annie's integrity is being questioned by online poker players.

I don't really care if some random guy on a internet forum thinks I am being paid to sponsor UB/AP. A lot of affiliates went on the trip.

I guarantee you that anyone that went will tell you that I was the most open about the steps they will need to take to get back into the good graces of the online poker community.

All I can say if I was under scrutiny and people knew me well. I would hope they would try and let people know what I am about. No question some people did some bad stuff but those people are gone. If they aren't gone and still have considerable influence, stuff like that comes out. It always has. I believe the people that I have come to know over many years. If it turns out I was wrong to believe them well that would suck.

I think at this point if I am being seen as a UB/AP shill then I should just shut up, because that wasn't my intent. I just thought watching a few guys we all know ziplining would be fun and of course I couldn't mention that without a bit of a qualifier.

[BootyCraze]

Originally Posted by Beanie

My business isn't likely similar to yours. The way mine works my customers get to choose where to go, I benefit no matter where they go. If you are under the opinion that all 700 people that work for UB/AP are bad people I can tell you from years of experience that they are not.

Do not compare beanie. If a player asks me about a site, I dont tell them I have a few good friends, I tell them they have a chance of losing money. Not through skill but through 5 of the 700 staff. They may ask, under new management? I will say yes. They are justified to request another site, or just set fire to their money and quit gambling.

Originally Posted by Beanie

There is no question that they have handled many situations badly recently. They know this.

Why are they still in existance? Tokwiro Enterprises owns AP and the more recently disgraced UltimateBet. Same convictions.

So who handled what badly? Tokwiro Enterprises?

Originally Posted by Beanie

But I will absolutely tell you that if a customer tells me that they want to play at UB/AP, I would not discourage them from doing so. I don't feel from what I know and what I have seen over the course of years that they are an institution that is designed to cheat its customers. I believe that a few rogue people did some bad things and the good people handled it poorly.

Erm? So you have not kept up with the 2+2 stroy? You lack customer service? You want the $$$ before your players interests?

Originally Posted by Beanie

Time will tell how this plays out. I think all of your feelings are justified and my post was not meant in any way to suggest that everything had changed and was completely better at UB/AP. To the contrary virtually every affiliate on the trip was very open about their distaste for what went on and the amount of good will it will take towards the customers to get back in the good graces of the online poker community.

Like I said, only time will truly tell.

Like I said, you are nothing like me. I expect you to stick the boot in when you can. Money grabbers will love you. True poker fans wont

[Beanie]

Originally Posted by BootyCraze

Do not compare beanie. If a player asks me about a site, I dont tell them I have a few good friends, I tell them they have a chance of losing money. Not through skill but through 5 of the 700 staff. They may ask, under new management? I will say yes. They are justified to request another site, or just set fire to their money and quit gambling.


Why are they still in existance? Tokwiro Enterprises owns AP and the more recently disgraced UltimateBet. Same convictions.

So who handled what badly? Tokwiro Enterprises?


Erm? So you have not kept up with the 2+2 stroy? You lack customer service? You want the $$$ before your players interests?



Like I said, you are nothing like me. I expect you to stick the boot in when you can. Money grabbers will love you. True poker fans wont

you have no idea what I am about and that is clear from your criticism. You certainly aren't the first person to come on here making blanket judgments about people they don't know.

It is also very easy to be Mr. Brave on an internet forum. The things you are saying you would never say to someone's face, just like all of the other internet heroes out there. I suppose when I told people to get their money off of Neteller and send it to the poker sites that I was looking out for my interest? Or how about the fact that I have been one of the only sites covering the scandal in the first place. On many occasions I have taken inside information and used that to help online poker players. You get that information by staying informed and part of the process. It would be wrong of me to take information that I know to be true and present it as false. I am sure I have been lied to on many occasions, but on this particular occasion I don't believe that I am.

[Beanie]

Originally Posted by BootyCraze

Erm? So you have not kept up with the 2+2 stroy? You lack customer service? You want the $$$ before your players interests?

Certainly I have but it isn't like that is the whole story. Since I have been gone I am not aware of an official announcement by UB at this point. I believe one is still coming. For the most part I am paid relatively the same by all of the sites, I doubt I have any subaffiliates that have UB/AP in their top 4 sites. The guys at chipleader know this. Many of my customers started with UB and have moved to other sites over time, that was their choice, I am indifferent to where people play. I may however try and influence their decisions based on where the games are easiest, because that is what is good for them. Wherever they play is inherently good for me. But given that criteria with many good players leaving UB/AP a lot of my players think that the games are going to get easier on both sites. If I thought they would be cheated out of their money I would certainly let them know that.

[BootyCraze]

Originally Posted by Beanie

you have no idea what I am about and that is clear from your criticism. You certainly aren't the first person to come on here making blanket judgments about people they don't know.

beanie, im guessing others are on to question rakeback standards. They look to you as a leader.

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It is also very easy to be Mr. Brave on an internet forum. The things you are saying you would never say to someone's face, just like all of the other internet heroes out there.
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You are correct. I would not post my intentions on the internet. Why are you being so immature?

Originally Posted by Beanie

I suppose when I told people to get their money off of Neteller and send it to the poker sites that I was looking out for my interest? Or how about the fact that I have been one of the only sites covering the scandal in the first place. On many occasions I have taken inside information and used that to help online poker players. You get that information by staying informed and part of the process. It would be wrong of me to take information that I know to be true and present it as false. I am sure I have been lied to on many occasions, but on this particular occasion I don't believe that I am.

So has Absolute Poker........

Its a pity you still offer rakeback to players who are subjected to questionable sites

[BootyCraze]

Originally Posted by Beanie

Certainly I have but it isn't like that is the whole story. Since I have been gone I am not aware of an official announcement by UB at this point. I believe one is still coming. For the most part I am paid relatively the same by all of the sites, I doubt I have any subaffiliates that have UB/AP in their top 4 sites. The guys at chipleader know this. Many of my customers started with UB and have moved to other sites over time, that was their choice, I am indifferent to where people play. I may however try and influence their decisions based on where the games are easiest, because that is what is good for them. Wherever they play is inherently good for me. But given that criteria with many good players leaving UB/AP a lot of my players think that the games are going to get easier on both sites. If I thought they would be cheated out of their money I would certainly let them know that.

I wont waste an answer

[Bullajami]

You made them answer questions at a conference!?!?! Way to kick them where they live! That will certainly teach them not to be complicit in the theft of millions of dollars.

Make sure you wash your hands.

[hazo]

Beanie has done nothing wrong here. He has simply told it how it is and that is all their is to it. I hope you had a good time at the conference Beanie.

[CSBI]

I disagree. Giving ChipLeader a free pass, or at least a very cheap pass, provides them no incentive to legitimately address criminal activity in their organization.

If this industry refuses to regulate itself on something as basic as stealing from players, we may as well invite our governments to regulate it for us. Not something I want to see.

[hazo]

Who is giving them a free pass? He said he met the new management and they are doing a good job. Thats all.