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Unread 06-05-2008, 08:42 PM
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Lately I have noticed quite a few AMs joining the site more to just promote their brands than actually contribute something to this great community. I don't want to name any specific ones, but a lot of these posts are just getting borderline spammy or are just outright spam. Sure, there are several AMs that come here and contribute to the site (in all sections), and this is GREATLY APPRECIATED, but others are here just with the intentions of promoting their programs and give nothing back to the community other than their spam. So, if you are reading this and you are one of those spammers... PLEASE STOP IT. Personally, I think it makes your programs look kinda cheesy when you have to resort to these kind of marketing tactics and I would probably be less likely to work with your site.

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I've noticed this lately too, especially so on the CAP forum. It seems like a lot of AMs hang around just to jump on the "Which rooms should I promote?" threads to give a brief summary of why they have the best affiliate program. It's understandable as to why this happens, but I don't think a completely biased plug adds much value to threads.

On the other hand, this is not to all the AMs on forums, because there are some great ones like Mark (SunPoker) that really give constuctive criticism in 'Review My Sites' threads and stuff.

But overall I agree. I think when one AM plugs their affiliate program, it leads the way for others to do the same, and the threads can become quite spammy.
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Yeah I've been noticing this for quite a while but kept quiet. It pisses me off.
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I haven't really paid attention much to who are and who are not sponsors here, but if they are sponsors probably better to mention to them privately to stop then my following suggestion here which is..

If they are not sponsors here, why not treat their posts like any other spam. If they got something to offer restrict them to offering it in the affiliate exchange section.

why we're at suggestions. I know I've been guilty of it to in the past but the one liner posts are way out of control at this place too. threads keep coming back to the top because people respond with "pm sent" "lol" or "I agree".. I stopped doing it myself recently after realizing how annoying and out of control it has become. Btw not referring to this thread or backing something up.. by one liners I mean the examples mentioned, the PM sent is the most annoying freaking thing of them all.
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Join the ChanPoker affiliate program please.

Just kidding

My thoughts on the situation are very similar. Yes, I am the voice of ChanPoker, however 90% of members here do not know me as such. They know me as Brandon, from the Partyriches days. So I see both sides of the situation.

I do 100% agree that this is getting out of hand. I also thing some AM's don't realize that posts like this are not helping, they are hurting. As an affiliate, if the first time I heard about your program was reading a spammy post on PAP, I would be turned away from it immediately.

I was very lucky to make the transition from an affiliate to an AM at the time when Mark and Greg (when at Celeb/pokerheaven) were around to watch. Never would you see them spam their affiliate program, or even bring it up unless it fit the criteria of the thread. They would constantly help affiliates out anyway they could, regardless if they were working with their affiliate programs or not. I think newer Am's should read through their old posts and follow suit.

My two cents.
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If they are not sponsors here, why not treat their posts like any other spam. If they got something to offer restrict them to offering it in the affiliate exchange section.
This is a great point. Although it does not upset me at all as a paying advertiser, I am sure it does to some. But most importantly Jeremy and Greg are running a business here, and I think its bad business to undercut their model.
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For the record, I would like to state that nobody wants to see outright spam from AM's or any program here.

I would also like to point out that I do not mind our sponsored programs participating in the general threads. A.M.'s should be able to add tremendous value here as they see what works and what doesn't on a daily basis. In fact I encourage AM's to take part in the general discussion area in a non promotional fashion.

Brandon brought up a good point too. If him, Chris, Mark, or any of the other regular A.M.'s who are sponsored programs dropped a plug every now and again in a thread, nobody would care.

It's the new programs that show up out of nowhere with 3 posts that are all spam or promotional that annoy members.

Keep in mind and be respectful though that our sponsors pay a fair amount of money to be in front of you guys each month. Likewise they make themselves available to GP and I if there are any issues that arise. But there again, most of these guys are not the culprits......
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This is a great point. Although it does not upset me at all as a paying advertiser, I am sure it does to some. But most importantly Jeremy and Greg are running a business here, and I think its bad business to undercut their model.
I'm tired so not sure my suggestion was clear.
I was suggestion if some AM who is not a sponsor spams in a thread, just treat it like any other spam.. delete it, remove links lock it or w/e. What makes them special just because they happen to be an AM: Spam is Spam.. The NON sponsors is who I was suggestion to limit to the affiliate exachange section if they had something to offer.

If they are a sponsor give them a lot more freedom to post there stuff wherever they want and if management here feels its crossing the line, take it up with them privately. I have a feeling, just a guess that the post Graham made and that others are referring to are not sponsors here. Perhaps they are an I misunderstood.

Anyways my suggestion was to simply treat spam made my NON sponsor AM's as spam. No reason to treat them special just because they are an AM at some poker room that has nothing to do with this site.

Sorry if I am repeating myself , just was not sure if my suggestion was misunderstood.
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Agreed all the way around, but just something I noticed and not knocking this forum or any other but when it was PAW, we didnt have all these sposnor programs and AM spam on the forum and our emails were not a big deal. You didnt get many...I did however get random emails from AMs from the GPWA sponsors. Now since we have moved I am again getting these emails. Before anyone says well your IMs are in your profile...yes they are but I dont think that is a to give AMs permission to solicit affiliates. I think these AM's need to understand that our emails, and PM's is not for that purpose and that PAP is not their personal database. Just my take on it...and I mean it could be nothing to others, but to me it's not the most efficiant way of recruiting affiliates. Lord knows most programs would close our accounts if we started promoting rooms that way

A perfect example - Todays emails from Spin32 - one from Amy and one from Spin32.

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Dear potential partner,


I would like to take this opportunity to introduce myself and Spin32Poker.com.

The Team at Spin32Poker understand what our partners require having worked within the online gaming industry for many years.

With this experience we know what is needed to make your business successful and that is why we have provided an environment where you can fully manage your marketing campaigns with us.

www.Spin32Live.com

I believe there is synergy between our organizations and by working together will lead to high revenue earnings for your website.

I would like to partner with your website or forum and offer the following revenue share plans:

* 40% revenue share plan for life of your players with no negative carry-over.
* 30% rake back that is paid directly into the players account.
* 10% of net revenue is paid to our rake back partners.

For more details please click the link below to download our Partner Programme PDF.

http://www.spin32poker.com/images/st..._Affiliate.pdf

With many different deposit and withdrawal methods we are proud to offer our services to US players as well as players from Europe, Asia and beyond.

To join the Spin32Poker Partner Programme, please go to http://www.Spin32Live.com and register. Should you encounter any problems please contact me via email, instant messenger or skype and I would be happy to help.

I look forward to speaking with you soon.

Kind regards


Amy Loveless
Affiliate Account Manager
Spin32Poker.com

Website: www.Spin32Poker.com
MSN: amylove008@hotmail.com
Skype: amy.loveless
Facebook: Amy Loveless Spin



Quote:
Dear Sir/Madam
Having seen your web site I thought that Spin32Poker would be a perfect addition to your Affiliate Business.
Spin32poker.com is one of the fastest growing Poker Rooms online right now and we want you to be a part of this explosive growth, check us out at www.Spin32Poker.com.

We offer
  • 40% Revenue Share
  • Rake Back Deals
  • A $50,000 monthly freeroll
We can also support your business by developing an agreed strategy designed to start earning you money from Day 1 with Spin32.com

To Join Us takes less than 30 seconds register here http://www.Spin32Live.com when you have done so please send me an e-mail with you user name, skype or msn details and we can get started right away making you money.

Later this year we will be announcing details of a VIP affiliate programme entry to which will be limited and open only to those affiliates who join us now.

If you require any further information then please contact the Spin32 Affiliate Team by replying to this e-mail.
Best regards

Affiliate Team Spin32live.com

*Unsubscribe - By clicking this link you will not be included in any further announcements from Spin32Poker.
Please note: This is a requirement that we have to include in every email that protects you by giving you the option to not receive these emails in the future. We would strongly advise that you do not unsubscribe as we will act responsibly when sending emails to you.
Amy since you liked my site so much...would you mind telling me which site it was...if you can I will signup
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I have never been an A.M., however I have several very good friends who are. And at the end of the day I can tell you it comes down to relationships. There are several A.M.'s here at PAP who have formed great relationships with the community as a whole and many of the individuals here. These are the ones that no one gets annoyed by.

After all, creating relationships and recruiting affiliates is their job. I actually appreciate an email or PM from one of the AM's whom I already work with and trust every now and again.

The best analogy I can think of is my email lists. If I emailed out a bunch of strangers a great poker offer, it would be spam and people would be annoyed. However if I emailed out my list of people who know and trust me, I would probably get thank-you replies.

Relationships and trust are everything in business, and the poker affiliate business is no exception.
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