party bs

[cavaliers09]

Some stuff that party does I understand, but this makes no sense and is complete bullshit. I have deleted the names of my affiliate manager, but would appreciate if someone from party would contact me to resolve this situation.

How much have the 2 players referred in
may generated? Also, how about my subaffiliate money?

Thanks,
Jesse

Dear Jesse,

Accounting has confirmed that the $91 of subaffiliate revenues will be
released today.

The net of those two players is up to date $184.02

Players cannot be taken to a different tracker. If you wish to have only
MGR, you will need to create new trackers.


Regards,

Hi,
Thanks for releasing the subaffiliate revenue. If the 2 players have
genearted $184 will the $130 in CPA be released. I can understand why
it wouldn't be released when the players generate significantly less
than the money owed to the affiliate, but if the players are
generating more than the CPA amount then it should be released.

-Jesse

Hi Jesse,

Good to hear from you.

No more funds will be released until the rakes improve. You have to consider
the overall amount paid to you so far and the total rake generated by your
players.

Regards,

There has been no money payed to me so far. The only money paid to me
has been for subaffiliates. I recognize that a lot of bad players
signed up under me in the past and I will probably never receive the
$2000 i earned in March. However, this month I had two players sign
up who according to your stats made over $180 in rake. For those two
players under the CPA plan that I signed up for I should earn $130,
whihc is still a $50 profit for party, plus all the future money they
will earn off of these players. I understand that party has to
protect themselves, but when the amount of rake for a players exceeds
the amount owed by CPA the money should be payed.

I have done everything in my power to make sure that the rakes go up,
and this month they did. I would like to continue promoting Party, as
it is easiest to convert players to, but if the payments aren't made
even for good players then it is simply not worth the space on my
website to continue to promote Party. Yesterday I received a nice
payment from Noble Poker, and a few days ago I received a nice payment
from Absolue.

Thank you,
Jesse

Dear Jesse,

All your accruals will be released eventually as long as you keep promoting
us and bringing new quality players. We do not expect to make money out of
new sign ups in the first few months. However, we need to make sure that the
players are real ones and that they play on a regular basis.

Your 2 new players rake was $184 from the 1st of April. From the 1st of May
was only $87.92.

That is why no more funds were released.

Please let me know whether I can help you with anything.

Regsards,

To summarize:
-I promoted party with free bonuses and they held payment. Although this makes sense to many of you this was a flaw in their affiliate terms and conditions that many chose to exploit. It is illegal for them to hold this payment. Many other affiliate programs placed hand limits on players. Party should have done this, but cannot do it retroactively to only some of the affiliates.
-I then only used links and signed up 2 more players in may who by June 9th generated $184 in rake. The money owed for these was $130, for a profit of $54 for party plus all future rake.
-They didn't pay because of "past payments," of which none (besides subaffiliate revenue) have ever been payed.

There are many good affiliate programs out there who treat their affiliates honestly. Do not deal with party.

[GoodKarmaKid]

I think the part you missed in their email, is that they were still in the hole (negative mgr) on your previous players you referrred with the free $50 or whatever you free bonus amount was, so even though your two most recent players have exceeded the amount of your cpa as a whole they are still losing money on the players you have referred

If you want any resolution to your problem, you should probably edit your closing remarks.

Just my 2 cents. By the way I have tried the "free funding" type of accounts in the past especially on bonanza months. I can honestly say they aren't worth the time, at least for me. Lot's of scammers, wannabe scammers, etc. and I don't think a single player that I gave a free $50 to is still playing, with the exception of maybe one player who I know. Free $50 to strangers or internet bonus whores isn't how your going to make money in this buisness.


Jason

[cavaliers09]

Originally posted by GoodKarmaKid@Dec 18 2005, 02:41 AM
I think the part you missed in their email, is that they were still in the hole (negative mgr) on your previous players you referrred with the free $50 or whatever you free bonus amount was, so even though your two most recent players have exceeded the amount of your cpa as a whole they are still losing money on the players you have referred

If you want any resolution to your problem, you should probably edit your closing remarks.

Just my 2 cents. By the way I have tried the "free funding" type of accounts in the past especially on bonanza months. I can honestly say they aren't worth the time, at least for me. Lot's of scammers, wannabe scammers, etc. and I don't think a single player that I gave a free $50 to is still playing, with the exception of maybe one player who I know. Free $50 to strangers or internet bonus whores isn't how your going to make money in this buisness.


Jason

They previous players generated a small but positive amount, after bonuses (its in another email that I didnt' think I needed to include). No CPA was payed for any of these players.

I agree that free 50s are not a solid business plan. However, Party did not forbid this, and actually wrote the software in a way that made this possible. No other site allows for interaccount transfers to count toward CPAs. The terms & conditions were agreed to by both parties. They might not of liked how I made the money, but that is something they need to address for the future, not retrospectively, as Pacific has done. Many companies encourage their products to be given away for free or "incentivized," and rely on their own superior products and constomer service to keep the customers around. That is how all the freeipod, freepsp, etc can survive.

Most of the players I signed up were either friends or friends of friends who had never played on party before. If they were not unique players I would understand the money being held, as then they obviously will not contribute to party in the long run. Party is welcome to investigate players to make sure they are unique RMPs, as they told me they would do almost 10 months ago. However, Party also needs to screen players to make sure they do not already have accounts. This is something that concerns ALL affiliates. There is little stopping players from taking that 20% bonus over and over. Those players certainly put a dent in MGR.

I will not edit my closing remarks, until this issue has been resolved. Party has taken advantage of their affiliates for too long and these issues need to be brought to light.

[adioking]

So why doesn't Party Poker avoid all this miscommunication by doing what PokerRoom is doing and make players "qualify" for their CPA by earning like 100 party points or something? That would be much more economical.

dAn

[PPP]

"Although this makes sense to many of you this was a flaw in their affiliate terms and conditions that many chose to exploit."

False. Sending fraud players is specifically addressed in the terms.

"It is illegal for them to hold this payment."

False. They specifically say they will withold payement in situations like this.

"Many other affiliate programs placed hand limits on players. Party should have done this, but cannot do it retroactively to only some of the affiliates."

False. They have good terms for good affiliates who send good players. If you send what they call "fraud" players, you are not entitled to anything. Ince again. the terms spell this out.

"-They didn't pay because of "past payments," of which none (besides subaffiliate revenue) have ever been payed."

You said they paid you $2000. I don't understand this part.

The bottom line is sending non-genuine players is not something Party should or will pay for.

[cavaliers09]

Party needs to define what fraudulent players are. For most affiliated brands this would not be considered fraud. Netflix has a full section in their affiliate agreement about how affiliates are supposed to run these types of promotions.

I was never payed the $2000. It was put on hold. Then I referred two "legitimate" players and this money was held "because of money payed in the past," despite none ever being paid.

[PPP]

There is no explaining the 2000 part, but I don't see how being more specific on fraud players will much help. It's like porn, you know it when you see it. And there are an awful lot of ways they can be created. It's just non genuine players. It would be nice if they could be extremely specific but I'd think that would be close to impossible and far more headaches. They do have basically absolute power to just decree what is non-legit, but the affiliates defense is the cardroom has no interest in discouraging affiliates from sending genuine players.

[PokerMaster]

Take a look at their new site redesigned today. It has new and elaborated t&c for affiliates, which is good IMO.

[cavaliers09]

I took a look at the bonanza offer I got recently and all it says that they will hold funds until to players can be proved to be authentic, which most, if not all of mine are. I have over $1000 of bonanza money on hold. They say they want "quality" players but that is very vague, especially with regards to poker.

TERMS AND CONDITIONS:



· Duration for the Promotion is from 1st December _05 to 31st December '05.

· The offer is not for every independent tracker / beneficiary. If you have multiple trackers / beneficiaries, sum total of signups generated in these multiple trackers/ beneficiaries would be taken into consideration while computing your earnings.

· The extra CPA mentioned above is applicable for Real Players generated in all trackers (CPA and Revenue share).

· PartyPoker.com reserves the right to inspect the players acquired during this period for reasonable quality and to hold payment until the authenticity of these players is verified.

· The offer is over and above the regular commissions you would get for December 2005.

· PartyPoker.com reserves the right to modify the terms and conditions of this promotion.

· Decision of PartyPoker.com will be final and binding.

· You can qualify for only one slab/tier from the bonus grid in December_s Bonanza.

They need to be clear with their offers. They should know that most of the new affiliates are going to read their bonanza and realize that the bonanza is more than the minimum deposit.

[Partypokerlover]

I agree with partypoker you have only sent them 2 more players which yes have played some rake. But thats only 2. You should try say 80/20. It is what I call 80% cpa and 20% mgr meaning players. So for you month you will have more cpa but you still have mgr with you helping you right along. This should balance you out. It has for me and I have stop getting bad rake. I have generated for 2 months 30,000 in rake and they have paid 16,000 out. So if you would like I could explain im more detail with a pm thanks.