How long until search engines come back...

#1 () 10-26-2005, 11:22 AM

I recently changed everyone of my pages to be better serach engine friendly, and am wondering how long until the serach engines index my new pages? Anything I can do to help?

Nick · #2 () 10-26-2005, 12:05 PM

The more quality links you have, the more chance you'll get indexed faster. Also, if you have daily fresh content on your site, the search engines are likely to keep checking back to index it. In terms of adapting your site to be more search engine friendly, make sure you don't go overboard and google loves to punish sites for over-optimising onpage attributes.

#3 () 10-26-2005, 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by Nick0r@Oct 26 2005, 11:05 AM
The more quality links you have, the more chance you'll get indexed faster. Also, if you have daily fresh content on your site, the search engines are likely to keep checking back to index it. In terms of adapting your site to be more search engine friendly, make sure you don't go overboard and google loves to punish sites for over-optimising onpage attributes.

could you be more in depth on that last part, maybe pm me

Nick · #4 () 10-26-2005, 01:41 PM

Well, there is only so much we know... google chooses not to disclose anything about this so we can only go by what other webmasters have reported. A few basic tihngs... going over the top with keyword density can lead to penalties, having all links to your site as "Keyword Keyword" leads to getting penalties as it's clearly manipulating the search engines. There's tons things like using identical string sof text for title,metas, h1,h2,h3,alt etc. Take a trip over to www.webmasterworld.com and visit the Google News section, it's an absolutely amazing resource, especially during an update.

ozim · #5 () 10-27-2005, 07:05 AM

Regarding over-optimising - how can you do that? - the only thing that comes to my mind is spamming in your meta tags - having something like

...but as I said above, it probably doesn't matter today (though it might have worked few years ago). Anyway, I have lots of inbound links and the robots visit my site every single day...

Nick · #6 () 10-27-2005, 08:03 AM

Meta tags don't matter much, you're right..

Regarding over-optimization it's very easy to do... to all of you who know of the sandbox, that's an over-optimization penalty of building links too fast, there are many other ones in place too.

The robots and revisit meta tags are worthless and just add unwanted lines to your HTML code.

PPP · #7 () 10-27-2005, 05:31 PM

There's no such thing as over-optimization. There is only bad tactics, or bad optimization. What people tend to call "over optimization" is anything but. It's just the use of stupid tactics. For example, obviously having the word "poker" on a poker page is good. It is not "overoptimazation" though to repeat the word "poker" ten thousand times on a page. That is just stupid.

The sandbox is an age probationary period, and has nothing to do with building links too fast, other than having any links makes Google find you and stick you in the box. Building links "too fast" can hurt any domain, old or new, not because getting links is bad, but almost always the links you can get fast are shitty links. Getting shitty links is bad. getting lots of shitty links really fast is not good at all.

#8 () 10-27-2005, 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by PPP@Oct 27 2005, 04:31 PM
There's no such thing as over-optimization. There is only bad tactics, or bad optimization. What people tend to call "over optimization" is anything but. It's just the use of stupid tactics. For example, obviously having the word "poker" on a poker page is good. It is not "overoptimazation" though to repeat the word "poker" ten thousand times on a page. That is just stupid.

The sandbox is an age probationary period, and has nothing to do with building links too fast, other than having any links makes Google find you and stick you in the box. Building links "too fast" can hurt any domain, old or new, not because getting links is bad, but almost always the links you can get fast are shitty links. Getting shitty links is bad. getting lots of shitty links really fast is not good at all.

I've read a lot of posts on message boards that made me smile today, but this is the first one that made me laugh out loud.

You're becoming the Mark Twain of the poker webmaster industry.

Couldn't agree more with the post, either.

Nick · #9 () 10-28-2005, 06:56 AM

How can you say such a thing?

"There is no such thing as over-optimization"

Yes there is, when you put too much effort into optimizing a site, it becomes clear to the search engines that you're trying to game them, hence over-optimization (you've done too much). It is bad tactics, yes, but people who start off at SEO don't have 'tactics' they just try out things until they see some sort of result.

As for the sandbox, it's been proven that it IS to do with gaining links too fast as a new site, there are many sites that are new and rank well... which shows that NOT EVERY new sites aren't sandboxed, hence it being link and age related, not just age related.

PPP · #10 () 10-28-2005, 03:02 PM

It's easy to say such a thing. Sorry, but overoptimization is a ridiculous concept, originated simply by people who have no idea what optimization is.

Optimization is simply putting your webpage (or anything) in the best possible, the optimal, light. If for example, you have 100 words on a page, and it just happens that the optimal keyword density is 15%, having the keyword 16 times or 20 or 37 is not "overoptimization". It is bad optimization. This is not a small point. Having H1 tags with your page title, with a good keyword, is good. Having H1 tags where you stuff in a paragraph of text and keywords is not overoptimization. It is simply miserable optimization.

There is no such concept as doing too much, only doing what is wrong.

As for the sandbox, the link thesis not only hasn't been proved, it is poppycock, and it that is easily provable. All you have to do is make several new domains, and link to them in different ways from the exact same group of pages. The fact that some new sites rank well proves absolutely nothing of course. Google attempts to apply an age demerit to new domains. Sometimes they fail, just like Google attempts to cull out crap sites with thousands of blog comment links but sometimes they fail.

Gaining too many links too fast can be a problem for any domain, old or new. A different algorithmic concept is in place for that. "Age" is its own algo element. And "age" can be applied to domains, links, longetivity of links from old domains (having a link from pokerpages for four years is a better link than having a link from pokerpages for four days...), and so on.